So there's a new album coming?

[Foxing Peculiar]

From last month: "“It’s currently 21 songs,” Billy says. “I’ve been working on it for over a year. It’s pretty different – in a good way, I think. Everybody that’s heard it likes it a lot, so that’s a good sign."

Any thoughts, anyone?

I wouldn't say I have high hopes, exactly. The past 15 or so years have kind of dulled those. But a quote from Stereogum's 20th anniversary retrospective on Machina kind of sums up what I'm hoping for: "It’ll probably be bullshit, but at least it’ll be Corgan back on his bullshit."

[Belteshazzar]

Down to 20 songs now. I wish Billy would quit cutting them. Great songs get cut all the time with this band. On the optimistic side, even if it is "subpar" for the Pumpkins, it will still be better than a lot of stuff out there currently.

I don't have high hopes exactly but I think it will at least be decent and I'm ready to go on whatever journey the band wants to take us on.

[Mals Marola]

"Everybody that’s heard it likes it a lot, so that’s a good sign."

Hasn't he said this about like the last 10 yrs worth of output?

[Belteshazzar]

"Everybody that’s heard it likes it a lot, so that’s a good sign."

Hasn't he said this about like the last 10 yrs worth of output?

Yeah.

My view, if we're speaking 2010-present...and strictly speaking of Pumpkins....

Oceania was well received, for a rock album, and fans generally appreciate it. Not my fav, in fact I cringe in one or two spots, but I do generally appreciate it and think it has few gems, even. So I suppose I could put it on par with Zeitgeist, on face value.

Monuments to an Elegy....critically well-received I guess? Fans, not quite as much, because 1) it was so short and 2.) obviously had some very repetitive lyrics on some songs which sort of dumbed things down....but over-all, I think the album had some solid songs. No, it's not Machina or even Zeitgeist....or even Oceania. It's just sort of this short and sweet offering that was dumbed down deliberately....which probably makes it the oddest SP album ever. But I will give it a pass because I know Billy did it deliberately and as an experiment to see what would happen. He had reached a point of exasperation artistically and has admitted as much. Yielded some interesting music videos though...

Shiny and Oh So Bright vol.1 - I don't really consider it an "album" and neither does Billy. But an offering. In my opinion, it consists of a few hits, a few near hits, and a few near misses. So not bad, for an offering....I do wish the mix for Solara had more of the background sounds coming from other guitars, though.

All in all, 2010-2020...I don't think it's been the strongest material when compared to the Pumpkins' previous work. But I won't say that makes it "bad"....because I consider 1988-2000 to be a golden era, and I'll even say Zeitgeist era was gold too, even if the initial Zeitgeist release was flubbed. Those times are big shoes to fill. And post-Zeitgeist to now has been a challenging and confusing time for Billy and for the band.

Anyway, I figure SAOSB will be more of the same from vol. 1. Only question in my mind is how hard/loud or how soft/gentle.....but I would like to hear a little more rawness and a little more fire, emotion and conviction in his voice, though.

Let's not forget Ogilala and Cotillions, though. Both of which, imo, are stripped-down masterpieces.