BlamoNet

Go Back   BlamoNet > Smashing Pumpkins > The Smashing Pumpkins
Reload this Page Where's Billy's influence?
Register GamesBlogs FAQ Members List Social Groups Calendar Mark Forums Read Chat Room [1]

Reply
Page 1 of 3 1 23
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-08-2010, 10:39 AM   #1
Jackal
Ka-boom!
 
Jackal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 9,186

Star Fruit

Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Jackal has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Where's Billy's influence?
What did The Smashing Pumpkins bring to rock and roll that is still out there today?

Not the Grunge movement. Something they alone contributed that didn't exist before them.
Jackal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 10:41 AM   #2
Josh Bird
Vaya Con Dios!
 
Josh Bird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,724

Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Josh Bird has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Silversun Pickups and...

well, that's it basically.
Josh Bird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 10:43 AM   #3
Wayne Arnold
Help Wanted
 
Wayne Arnold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,610

Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
His guitar tone. More octave chords. Re-introduced, for better or worse, concept albums with characters and costumes. That had gone away for a while before Mellon Collie.
Wayne Arnold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 10:47 AM   #4
The Invisible Lines
*Graphic Dog Vomit*
 
The Invisible Lines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 1,451

The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Agreed with Wayne on the guitar stuff. Billy practically invented a slew of tones, styles, and recording techniques that never really existed in the same way before him, and has definitely been replicated since.
The Invisible Lines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 10:50 AM   #5
Wayne Arnold
Help Wanted
 
Wayne Arnold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,610

Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Although I'd say a lot of that credit should be shared with Butch Vig. The same guitar tones are on Nevermind. And the Mellon Collie guitar tones are not as memorable.
Wayne Arnold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 11:01 AM   #6
The Invisible Lines
*Graphic Dog Vomit*
 
The Invisible Lines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 1,451

The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Very true.
The Invisible Lines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 11:03 AM   #7
Spaced
Chemtrails pilot
 
Spaced's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 2,779

Tangerine

Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Spaced has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Yar
He wasn't the first, but Billy's done his best to promote the interests of female bassists.
Spaced is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 11:26 AM   #8
CrestfallenAlex
judas priest MAYBE
 
CrestfallenAlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,431

Blackberry

CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Arnold View Post
His guitar tone. More octave chords.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Invisible Lines View Post
Agreed with Wayne on the guitar stuff. Billy practically invented a slew of tones, styles, and recording techniques that never really existed in the same way before him, and has definitely been replicated since.
Examples? (w/ YouTube links?)
CrestfallenAlex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 11:30 AM   #9
The Invisible Lines
*Graphic Dog Vomit*
 
The Invisible Lines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 1,451

The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Siamese Dream, mostly. It's difficult to put into words what one says when they are describing different "tones," but Billy fucked with his setup so obsessively, and Butch Vig worked so much magic on the guitar sounds and layering and stuff, that you just aren't going to hear much in the way of exact sound duplication before/after that record. The guitars are heavy, but remain bright and shimmery. When they are big, they are still distinct and their various elements are easily heard. The softs are whispery and twinkly . . . haha, sorry, I'm just trying to not get super technical but it sounds like I'm describing some fairy land of guitar-playing cherubs. On MCIS, on the contrary, the guitars are heavy and dark sounding . . . even dull at times (not necessarily a bad thing, depending on opinion).
Last edited by The Invisible Lines; 03-08-2010 at 11:33 AM.
The Invisible Lines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 12:13 PM   #10
kendra
Oh no!
 
kendra's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 35,157

Bananas

kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!kendra has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Send a message via AIM to kendra Send a message via MSN to kendra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaced View Post
He wasn't the first, but Billy's done his best to promote the interests of female bassists.
The Pumpkins aren't the first or only in this area, either, but I was going to tentatively say Americans of Asian descent interested in rock music got a boost from James Iha's exposure...he downplays it but I've read lots of appreciative anecdotes citing him and he's an icon in that community whether he believes it or not. So, I'd say the Smashing Pumpkins helped a few kids crawl out from under the iron curtain of classical music.
kendra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 12:34 PM   #11
CrestfallenAlex
judas priest MAYBE
 
CrestfallenAlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,431

Blackberry

CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Invisible Lines View Post
Siamese Dream, mostly.
Sorry, yes, I understood this; I'm looking for audio/YouTube examples of bands where the Pumpkins influence is clear or at least present.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kendra View Post
Americans of Asian descent interested in rock music got a boost from James Iha's exposure
In China the few people I talked to who knew the Pumpkins all immediately said, "Yes, the band with the Japanese guitar player." It really is quite strange when you think about how few American rock bands have ethnic minorities. They are almost all entirely white.
CrestfallenAlex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 12:35 PM   #12
The Invisible Lines
*Graphic Dog Vomit*
 
The Invisible Lines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 1,451

The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!The Invisible Lines has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrestfallenAlex View Post
Sorry, yes, I understood this; I'm looking for audio/YouTube examples of bands where the Pumpkins influence is clear or at least present.
Ahhh, sorry, my mistake. I'll dig around Youtube when I get home from work to see if I can find some good examples.
The Invisible Lines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 12:46 PM   #13
Wayne Arnold
Help Wanted
 
Wayne Arnold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,610

Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrestfallenAlex View Post
Sorry, yes, I understood this; I'm looking for audio/YouTube examples of bands where the Pumpkins influence is clear or at least present.

For guitar tones, the Deftones have always come to mind. I think their tone is just a heavier version of Siamese Dream. Fuzzy, spacey, not very aggressive.
Wayne Arnold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 01:01 PM   #14
D R E V P I L E
I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY
 
D R E V P I L E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Where all the origionals are dead
Posts: 5,778

Apple

Blog Entries: 1
D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!D R E V P I L E has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
^ Drummer loves JC also.
__________________
A band is only ever as good as its drummer
________________________________________
TheMachineSomehow
________________________________________
D R E V P I L E is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 03:45 PM   #15
weepingwillowly
Caricature
 
weepingwillowly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: London (UK)
Posts: 1,660

Peach

weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
on the top of that, i don't think a lot a band are also actually able to deliver so many different live versions of their songs
__________________
RIP Twilight blue, Marjorie, Fender22, Junkittykat, Psokiller, Ducu
weepingwillowly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 04:43 PM   #16
James Yee-haw
Super Fucking Serious
 
James Yee-haw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,648

Blog Entries: 1
James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!James Yee-haw has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by weepingwillowly View Post
on the top of that, i don't think a lot a band are also actually able to deliver so many different live versions of their songs
troof in the mainstream. When i go to dirty hippie jamband festivals you hear a good pumpkins cover every other day. Phish covering Rhinoceros was epic. Gish is very influential in that jam community....but the pumpkins overall influence isn't heard much because most musicians aren't as OCD about their work. It takes a lot of effort to do what Bill does and most don't have the talent AND drive. You gotta remember through the 90s and 2000s solos and musicianship was almost taboo..but us dirty wooks eat that shit up.

when some of the greatest musicians on earth cover your shit (phish/Umphree Mcgee and others..but those are the most elite) it means you did something right.
James Yee-haw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 04:46 PM   #17
CrestfallenAlex
judas priest MAYBE
 
CrestfallenAlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,431

Blackberry

CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Maybe Billy is the Allen Iverson of rock and roll.
CrestfallenAlex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 05:19 PM   #18
Wayne Arnold
Help Wanted
 
Wayne Arnold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,610

Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
A sad time for them both.
Wayne Arnold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 05:33 PM   #19
weepingwillowly
Caricature
 
weepingwillowly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: London (UK)
Posts: 1,660

Peach

weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Yee-haw View Post
troof in the mainstream. When i go to dirty hippie jamband festivals you hear a good pumpkins cover every other day. Phish covering Rhinoceros was epic. Gish is very influential in that jam community....but the pumpkins overall influence isn't heard much because most musicians aren't as OCD about their work. It takes a lot of effort to do what Bill does and most don't have the talent AND drive. You gotta remember through the 90s and 2000s solos and musicianship was almost taboo..but us dirty wooks eat that shit up.

when some of the greatest musicians on earth cover your shit (phish/Umphree Mcgee and others..but those are the most elite) it means you did something right.
yeah yeah i definitely agree!

i was just meaning a very very few bands are able to render their own songs in so many different versions as the pumpkins are able to do. but that was a little bit off topic i recon
__________________
RIP Twilight blue, Marjorie, Fender22, Junkittykat, Psokiller, Ducu
weepingwillowly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 05:43 PM   #20
CrestfallenAlex
judas priest MAYBE
 
CrestfallenAlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,431

Blackberry

CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Yes. As has been noted before, one of the best things about the Pumpkins.

Anyone have any other favorite bands that really switch things up live, year-in, year-out?
CrestfallenAlex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 05:50 PM   #21
weepingwillowly
Caricature
 
weepingwillowly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: London (UK)
Posts: 1,660

Peach

weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!weepingwillowly has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!


__________________
RIP Twilight blue, Marjorie, Fender22, Junkittykat, Psokiller, Ducu
weepingwillowly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 06:08 PM   #22
CrestfallenAlex
judas priest MAYBE
 
CrestfallenAlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,431

Blackberry

CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
No segue except "piano covers," I was just curious to see if that Japanese singer Angela Aki had any videos on YouTube of her "Today" cover, and I see she is no stranger to translating English pop songs into Japanese and covering them:



The best part is the "BAY-baaaAAAaay!!!" right in the middle.
CrestfallenAlex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 06:09 PM   #23
Wayne Arnold
Help Wanted
 
Wayne Arnold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,610

Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Prince!

I would post videos but he doesn't allow any on youtube.
Wayne Arnold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2010, 11:57 PM   #24
mals marola
all your 7 dreams
 
mals marola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 623

mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!mals marola has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
someone who reviewed the SP albums a while ago put it into words pretty well

"cock rock with an indie heart"

did that really exist before gish, sd, pi...?

anyway, there's definitely a quality to their music that wasn't there before.
they were rocking and chillin' like villains at the same time
__________________
mals marola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010, 12:03 AM   #25
s0ss
Registered Sex Offender
 
s0ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Montreal
Posts: 5,892

Zwan Guitar

s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!s0ss has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
s0ss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010, 12:10 AM   #26
CrestfallenAlex
judas priest MAYBE
 
CrestfallenAlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,431

Blackberry

CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
"cock rock with an indie heart," ha. Interesting to think about, maybe that really is what the Pumpkins perfected.
CrestfallenAlex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010, 12:11 AM   #27
Wayne Arnold
Help Wanted
 
Wayne Arnold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,610

Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
I hear no cock rock in the Pumpkins. Maybe some of the Gish riffs?
Wayne Arnold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010, 12:21 AM   #28
CrestfallenAlex
judas priest MAYBE
 
CrestfallenAlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,431

Blackberry

CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
HMM?
CrestfallenAlex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010, 12:45 AM   #29
Wayne Arnold
Help Wanted
 
Wayne Arnold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,610

Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!Wayne Arnold has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Oh good one.
Wayne Arnold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2010, 09:28 AM   #30
CrestfallenAlex
judas priest MAYBE
 
CrestfallenAlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,431

Blackberry

CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!CrestfallenAlex has more than 2,000,000. points! OMG 2 FAMOUS 4 U TO HANDLE!
Not sure if you're joking. I think a lot of those Superchrist/United States-type songs are cock-rocky. But I may not really know what cock rock actually is? I think of it as really bombastic, "look at me"-style rock & roll. What band(s) is/are the most quintessentially cock rock?
CrestfallenAlex is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 3 1 23

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:29 PM.

Contact Us - BlamoNet - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.